I keep thinking about the evolution of the people’s psyche, the white cells. Did the changes after 2012 affect evolution of consciousness?

Well, 2012 was not the finishing point nor was it a checkered flag. In my opinion, 2012 was the grand marker of whether or not we would slip into fifth gear or whether we would stay in third or fourth gear. It’s like a car.

I was thinking more like a check point than a checkered flag. You’re running a race and you have to go through this check point.

The marker was whether or not we would end up downshifting or upshifting. The goal of humanity was to upshift and it was felt in your

consciousness. Not everyone was able to fully acknowledge it, but as white cells, we were able to experience it. We recognized that this is what we had to cope with so we would adjust, no matter what.

As we continue to shift into fifth gear, because it’s an on-going process, will it be a whole lot easier to come out from underground?

Let’s say you were driving in fourth gear. What happens when you’re on the highway and you go into fifth gear? How does it feel?

Exhilarating.

It feels smoother, doesn’t it? It feels like something has been released because there is less energy, more flow, and it takes a minimal amount of energy to glide like you’re moving through space. It’s just a lighter level.

So what happens if you make a mistake and you put it into third gear?

It grinds up.

Yes, it’s like you can feel the weight, right? You can feel the density and there’s tension. As you continue to elevate your frequency, that is what you feel internally. You feel a tension or you feel elevated when you’re navigating your sensors.

What gear would you say we were in before 2012?

We were in fourth for a while. It’s taken a long time for civilization to get to the fourth gear.

Was it about a twenty percent increase in tonal, if you look at it that way?

Yes, it was significant. Twenty percent is huge. It’s very interesting because you can look at this in many different ways. Let’s forget about what’s going on in the solar system. Let’s just deal with the human collective consciousness and that aspect of it.

How many times, in history, have all the people on the planet been collectively thinking of the same thing? Maybe 9/11 was something that affected the global consciousness significantly enough so that everybody was thinking about the same thing at the same time. Very few things happen that way. Maybe the Olympics, to a certain degree, but how many things have an undertone with a certain expectation about how it affects the world?

How about Y2K?

Yes, but Y2K wasn’t a global experience. It was more of a technological concern in the advanced part of the world because older computers weren’t designed to work in the years 2000 and later. So the computer software had to be modified to work on the older computers.

When we look back at 2012, the vast majority of people in the world felt an expectation that we were closing in. They were building an expectation that something could happen. Many people expected devastation or the end of the world. Other people said that nothing would happen. The one thing that, collectively, could be said is that we all knew that something was going to happen. That state alone can affect the human brain. If you have stress in your life all the time, it releases a certain chemical and your body accommodates it. If you constantly feel joy, your brain will adjust its consciousness based on what you’re feeling or thinking. So people were anxious about what could possibly happen. That anxiety was determined to go in a negative or positive direction, which depended on the state of current events at that particular time.

Since the world was thinking about this, it created a doorway of opportunity. If there was no door, then no one could get in. So it depended on whether or not people were consciously aware of that possibility. If people were aware of it, then others could move through that doorway with them. If people didn’t think about it, there would be no door to be

concerned about and there would be no way to affect world consciousness.

You have to present the idea in order to start thinking about it, pondering it, and to contemplate changing the mindset of the people. The result was a more positive affect.

Was that part of the reason for the Higher Balance Institute?

A center has the advantage of affecting more people on a conscious level. In a classroom situation, you can provide better training for the students. Things can be created to help permeate their consciousness. And you can build and demonstrate certain things, as well as provide a curriculum.

Higher Balance Institute is now able to cover a different topic every week with just a small group of students. We try to do that through the modules and we do a fairly good job of it. Is there anything better than having hands-on experiences? There’s no substitute for that. A center is a place where we can have specialized classes on specific subjects. We can provide a small building to create a haunted environment and a place to create portals for training purposes. The students will have hands-on experience in that type of environment. We can create a room to enhance mental projection and set it up so that there are particular frequencies in the room. We can recreate it anywhere, but the idea is to be able to concentrate on that type of training in an advantageous environment.

Do you think we’re operating on that concept too little too late?

Absolutely not. I don’t think it’s ever too little or too late. I’ll be very honest with you. I’m fairly satisfied with where we are, but if I settle for that then we all lose. So I will never settle. The knowledge that I teach is of the highest caliber. Five years ago, I was only able to reach maybe a hundred people, whereas now I’m able to reach thousands, if not more. I am very satisfied with that because we are still in the minority. We’re very small, but I am very excited about quality versus quantity. That is what I’m after.

Since you’re the founder of the Higher Balance Institute, what is the direction that you see for this organization? What are you trying to accomplish?

People tend to define an organization as something in particular and people like to tag things with a definition. How are we going to define Higher Balance?

So, the question is, “Are we a following? Are we a religion?” I think of religion as a cult. I think a cult is a religion. I think a philosophy is a religion. A religion is a philosophy. I think they are all interconnected. It comes down to what we do and how we are reacting with the world.

Are we becoming an isolated group of people or can we relate to the outside world and share what we have with a sense of mentoring the rest of the world? To me, that is the defining part of what we are. What will we contribute to society? What will we offer to others? My hope is that we simply continue to teach, that we continue to look for white cells and help to heal the world on a vibrational level, frequency, and consciousness. I think we will continue in a very positive direction, working on things like the ecosystem of the world so that we can make a contribution on some level. That’s how I look at it.

I think we’re more of a philosophy. I don’t see myself as being a person for people to idealize. You can do as I can do. You can do greater. I try to teach you that. I teach you free will, free independence. It’s always about the Force. I don’t tell you to make homage to me at all, but I am the hub of the information at this point. I think it’s just a matter of perception.

If people want to perceive this in a negative way, then they will see Higher Balance as a negative organization. If they want to see it as a positive thing, they’ll see it as a positive organization. The latter is my hope.

If Higher Balance is ever to become a larger organization, how will it exist in this world? Most of the things we do might be looked on with skepticism, like Telepathy or Astral Projection. It’s like craziness to them because they don’t understand.

Well, I don’t think it is nonsense. Christianity has a seven headed dragon coming out of the ocean and they’re waiting for the second coming. There are countless generations of people thinking that they’re going to see it in this lifetime. They have lived, paid thousands or even millions of dollars to the church thinking that they’re going to see the second coming, but it comes and it goes. They’re going to be waiting a long time. It’s just not going to happen.

There are religious groups that tell you to lock yourself up from society, go to a monastery or a cave. Extract yourself from the world, find God and live in solace. I don’t believe in that. We interact with life and enjoy life to the fullest. That makes us healthier than all of the philosophies and religions. That is why you are here. Don’t forget your spirituality. Be one with the Universe, the Force; but be one with this beautiful world that we are in and experience it fully.

We accept a red cell world but we are also explorers. There’s a thirst in us that says there’s more to this world than what people see. Why should we accept it on a limited basis? To us, there is a bigger purpose. Some people live their entire life in one town. Some people live their life traveling the world. Instead of traveling the world, we want to travel the Universe, but we’re still part of this world. It’s just how much your mind can perceive.

So, if people want to look at us as being unrealistic, that’s fine. We hold a job, a home, and family. We have love, but we’re also complete in our souls. There’s a deeper satisfaction in our relationships and our perception of life. In the end, what matters most is whether or not we find inner peace, and on the last day of our life, we feel comfort in knowing that we moved to something much greater and didn’t squander our time here on the Earth.

So, it’s a matter of perception and value. I would say to someone who judges that value, “You spent too much time eating food and sitting around the house, doing insignificant things instead of living your own life.” The person who’s usually the most judgmental is the one who is always reading

“how to” books. Instead of reading those books, why don’t you write the book and live your own adventure? You’re not living life. You’re living life through somebody else’s dreams. I’m on an adventure! That’s the difference with my life.

As a white cell, you are pursuing your own journey. You will have your own inner reflections and someday will say, “I met Eric Pepin once. I sat down with him. I got to speak with him and this is what I got out of it.

There are the other things that I did in my life. These are the reasons why I did them, and when I look at them all, I’m richer for having those experiences I sought out.”

That’s the bottom line. So on a realistic level, my game plan is to awaken as many white cells as I can to teach them, form them, educate them, and develop their sensory, their skills, and ideally quality over quantity. I want to continue to help those people to direct and contribute to the upshifting into the fifth gear of consciousness, and to make a contribution with their skills and their ability. My ideal goal is to continue maintaining and moving into fifth gear, but specifically to look at people on an individual basis. I’d like to help them reach and attain a higher level of consciousness to become more fulfilled on an individual basis, and to help them attain enlightenment. That is my continued objective, to work on each person to define a blissful state of relationship with the Universe, with God. I want to extend this evolution, fulfill it, move it and progress it.

What’s the end result? Is evolution more white cells, higher psychic abilities, powers, or whatever you want to call it? It has taken eons, not just lifetimes to get to this point. What’s beyond? Is there an end?

Well, there is and there isn’t. It depends on your personal goals. I consider this the end of a chapter. We are all collectively part of God’s consciousness. In The Handbook of the Navigator, I’ve taught that God is trying to explore within itself. There are mysteries that God does not even know. This is the reason to create life. Why create life if one knows everything already? It is to define and to learn new things. What else is there left to do? I believe they will find this when we start interacting with other species. It’s not just human beings that have a drive to explore, to learn. Without the desire to learn and explore, there is no purpose for us to move forward.

I think there’s a constant battle concerning moving progressively with evolution and devolution. Devolution is death. To me, it’s stagnant water.

It becomes poison. I think there is a certain perspective within red cells that nothing needs to change; keep everything the same. Let’s just be, and that means no progression. What is the purpose of everything then if you just know what you know and don’t want to continue to grow or change?

What is the meaning of life then?

Coming from a religious background and seeing what religion has taught historically, it’s not the truth as Christ set out to preach it. The church has gone in the opposite direction against the Christian teachings. Even the Bible says that we will become sons of God.

Well, we won’t become sons of God unless we get off our asses and progress ourselves. I have certain frustrations with religion because I think it is a very dangerous thing for civilization. At times, it actually prevents progression. They start to follow a pattern of life and they’re told that this is how you do things. This is the way it is, and there’s no room for growth.

Any growth is very minimal.

When I look at different cultures, like the Amish, I think they’re beautiful. We admire them to a certain degree. But could you imagine if each person in all of civilization is told that they should not use modern tools, they should not invent, and they should not move forward with progression? If that kind of thinking stagnated them two hundred years ago, then they would be clacking stones and saying we can’t have a horse and carriage. We can’t build wooden chairs to sit in. We can’t have a dining room table because we’re not allowed to use these tools. So, at some point, they did progress to a certain point and then said, “We need to stop this.” Eons ago, in the Lower Paleolithic period during the Stone Age, if a lightning bolt hit a tree and made fire, the people would run for their lives until they understood what it was and could adapt and learn how to utilize it. Fear of change is human nature.

Religion often prevents people from growing. It tells them that this is the way you have to do things and it is controlling. You must fear God and you must keep only this religion. You have to do the same things over and

over routinely. Don’t question your life, and accept that’s what God wants for you. It’s a business because there are people who benefit from it. Those are the ones who are traveling the world and enjoying the riches from it.

When people get smart, they don’t share their money so easily. They like to spend their money on their own travels.

Since everything evolves, when you’re no longer here, how will we preserve the purity of the teachings while still evolving? For the next generation that follows Higher Balance, there’s always a watering down process. Yet there has to be an evolution because there are new generations surfacing.

I think these teachings are already evolved, at least years beyond our current society. I think students will see the deeper truths in what I am saying and have more revelations. There are a lot of things that probably go over your heads, even to this day. As technology advances, you will to say, “My God, this is what Eric was talking about! Or this is what Eric meant in using the terminologies that he was using,” and the students will have a much broader understanding of what I am talking about — the evolution of consciousness.

I’ve talked about modern technology. I’ve talked about how it will be used to move into consciousness, how psychic abilities will actually be manifested through technology, and how to train the brain to extend beyond using our current technology, such as telepathy and things like that. The human brain will be used to amplify through the pineal gland, just like they are using cell phones right now. In one thousand years, they will have taken that and continued to evolve with it. There will always be a level of truth, but there will also be greater levels of consciousness to understand.

So, to maintain the quality of the information, we have an advantage that was not available two thousand or more years ago. There are the recordings, the videos, the internet, access to all of the data, and now the books. That’s what will hold the quality of this information compared even to somebody like Gurdjieff, which wasn’t that long ago actually. There’s a minimal level of his conversations and direct teachings still available

today. He did not have a camera sitting in front of him 24/7. I’ve already compiled much more data than Gurdjieff and others like him. It’s not that he didn’t teach it, but the amount of data that was able to be recorded was far less.

One can look at the Higher Balance video tapes now and have a better idea of what I said. There will be another kind of watering down and it will be the greatest sin of all. You know what that sin is going to be? It’s going to be manipulation of the video and audio CD’s to make it look real, the same thing as they’re doing now by creating fake UFO’s and similar things. People have the technology now to have me look the same as I look now, but with a completely different message coming from me.

Can’t they do it now?

Yes, but it’s still very detectible. It will be ego, pride, manipulation and control. It will be certain individuals who will want to control other people and they will manipulate it and say, “This is the material that never got out. This is the secret stuff that never got out, and this is what he really meant. We’re the ones who will know that.” Then they are going to say that Eric predicted in the future that some other person is going to be teaching and they’ll have me saying, “Oh yeah, it’s this and this is what he looked like and this is his name, and he’s the one you should follow then,”

and that’s what it will be.

Will it be coming from people who have the time and money to do that?

Well, it won’t even take money. Even now, most people can do it on their home computers. In ten years, the technology will be phenomenal, and it will happen soon. So what it comes down to is copywriting. And the copywriting will have to be watched over carefully. It is basically going to show your qualifications and your connection with me. Then you will be the authority for looking at a video and saying, “That’s not something that Eric would have said. It’s not something he would have taught,” and

they’ll respect you because your qualifications can be confirmed through Higher Balance or whatever authority is present at that time.

People can go online and say, “There’s this person or there is that person. You can see that they did learn from Eric. They’ve met him. They knew him. They learned from these other teachers.” That’s what will authenticate the work and that will only last so long. In the future, there’ll be many instructors long before we have all passed. People like you will end up teaching.

So, as we move into fifth gear, will that loosen the matrix? Will it evolve enough so that we can move a little bit more freely than we do now in fourth gear?

Well, on the simplest level, when we move into fifth gear, we will probably have another three to five hundred years of the same mentality that you see right now. Science will always progress to a certain level, but it will be watched over closely. There will be squabbles over stem cells.

Most people think that stem cell research should have continued because in another five years, the amount of research that would have been done could mean that everybody would live to about one hundred and twenty years old with a higher quality of life. Arthritis would be gone. There would no longer be diabetes or some of the degenerative diseases. You would feel like you were fifty years old at the age of eighty or one hundred.

Because of ignorance and all of the fears that were created, that will not happen now. It will take time to build-up the research again. Research needs time to build. So, if you think about all the hypocrisies of the past hundred years, never mind the last thousand years, space travel would be a common thing. How people think affects all of us right now. There will be more fear in old world thinking or world religion rather than progressive thinking and embracing science and spirituality. You will feel that there is more liberation with a respect for life.